You write: "Consciousness often survives by not thinking about being conscious all the time. After all that takes effort best allocated elsewhere at times."
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"Sometimes selfing is just hard, and in order to survive sometimes it is better not to think about the fact we are thinking, so we often exclude the fact of subjectivity in order to preserve that subjectivity (we exclude the enclosure, and at other time we consciously enclose the exclosure)."
This implies (to me, I am not sure if you meant it this way) that "consciousness" (which in the first sentence I ttake to mean "self-consciousness" -- just trying to make sure our terms are the same) is the baseline, and being un-self-conscious is "secondary".
But I think the opposite. It seems to me that self-conciousness is an extra layer of feedback/control that is not typically present. We were taught to do it as young children. And selfing constructs a narrative whereby it is claims to be always present (and thus we think we are permanent "selves"), but I suspect that we are actually only selfing a very small amount each day. When peforming activities, for example, selfing only occurs when things are too hard to successfully complete by habit or in a flow-like state.
I suspect you are correct the majority of the time. However I am exploring how the world as it looks from a POV, in which case the down time is not apparent… dare I say not self evident…. I think we are both agreed that selfing consciously take more effort but it's worth it to meet more challenging tasks in the world.
Then there is that whole dissociating thing where we put that narrative into an induced coma in Order to survive trauma. Which is more what I was thinking about I guess.
Going on with what you're saying, some types of narcissism is leveraged into a pathology by an intimation that the narrative self is weak, whereas the healthy don't care don't notice…
Also as a side note a POV as a partiality arises before consciousness, self consciousness or selfing…
Also also selfing may require self consciousness, but it's more performative than what self consciousness in isolation perhaps suggests.
Also also also I have developed an aversion to dwelling on sub and unconscious narratives. And if I must I prefer tarot cards as therapy.
You write: "Consciousness often survives by not thinking about being conscious all the time. After all that takes effort best allocated elsewhere at times."
&
"Sometimes selfing is just hard, and in order to survive sometimes it is better not to think about the fact we are thinking, so we often exclude the fact of subjectivity in order to preserve that subjectivity (we exclude the enclosure, and at other time we consciously enclose the exclosure)."
This implies (to me, I am not sure if you meant it this way) that "consciousness" (which in the first sentence I ttake to mean "self-consciousness" -- just trying to make sure our terms are the same) is the baseline, and being un-self-conscious is "secondary".
But I think the opposite. It seems to me that self-conciousness is an extra layer of feedback/control that is not typically present. We were taught to do it as young children. And selfing constructs a narrative whereby it is claims to be always present (and thus we think we are permanent "selves"), but I suspect that we are actually only selfing a very small amount each day. When peforming activities, for example, selfing only occurs when things are too hard to successfully complete by habit or in a flow-like state.
this is a very useful question
I suspect you are correct the majority of the time. However I am exploring how the world as it looks from a POV, in which case the down time is not apparent… dare I say not self evident…. I think we are both agreed that selfing consciously take more effort but it's worth it to meet more challenging tasks in the world.
Then there is that whole dissociating thing where we put that narrative into an induced coma in Order to survive trauma. Which is more what I was thinking about I guess.
Going on with what you're saying, some types of narcissism is leveraged into a pathology by an intimation that the narrative self is weak, whereas the healthy don't care don't notice…
Also as a side note a POV as a partiality arises before consciousness, self consciousness or selfing…
Also also selfing may require self consciousness, but it's more performative than what self consciousness in isolation perhaps suggests.
Also also also I have developed an aversion to dwelling on sub and unconscious narratives. And if I must I prefer tarot cards as therapy.